He defied Trump and still survived a GOP primary

On whether Johnson feels his votes to certify the 2020 election or to establish the Jan. 6 Committee were the reason he faced a challenger in the GOP primary

Kristi Noem had a primary challenger, John Thune had a primary challenger. These primary challenges are just now sort of baked in as inevitable. That’s the era we’re in,” said Johnson.

“It’s not actually votes that make for a challenging primary. It’s whether or not a rich guy decides he doesn’t like you.”

On the Constitution and conservatism

“I’m a believer in the Constitution, even when it’s politically uncomfortable for me. Certifying the results of the 2020 election was not a tough call for me,” Johnson said.

“I know some people might say, ‘Oh, he’s not a conservative because he voted to certify the 2020 election.’ Well, I’m sorry, I think conservatives have adherence to the Constitution, even when it means their guy is disadvantaged by the Constitution.”

When he thinks back on that January 6th, one emotion still resonates

“Well, I was pretty pissed off the whole day,” said Johnson. “Throughout most of human experience, it has indeed been the guy with the largest army or the strongest supporters who were able to seize power for themselves. But this American experiment rejected that.”

“We don’t believe that might makes right in this country. It doesn’t matter how tall you are or how rich, you don’t get any more votes than the other gal. And in that regard, the relatively small number of people that converged on the Capitol who were intent on using disruption and in some cases violence to try to alter the course of American history, that was un-American. It made me angry and I am still angry when I think about that.”

On having to shelter in place as rioters breached the Capitol building

“This was not a drill,” he recalled. “A staff member, a coworker of mine mentioned that they were scared for their lives. I said, ‘I just want to let you know, if anybody gets here to hurt us, they’re not going to get to you until they get through me.’ And so, we found things that could be used as weapons.”

Johnson’s reasoning for not voting to impeach President Trump after Jan. 6

“I think the question where I tactically probably deviate is, I want to actually pull levers and push buttons that work,” said Johnson.

“I rejected impeachment. Anybody who said impeachment is something we have to do to heal this country, they were wrong. Donald Trump was impeached. Does anybody actually think that that has made America more functional? Does anybody actually think that that impeachment vote has quieted the more extreme voices on the far right and the far left? That impeachment vote made things worse.”

Johnson’s advice for other Republicans who find themselves facing MAGA candidates in primaries

“I don’t think there’s any secret to it. All 435 of us took an oath to the Constitution. I think you’ve got to make good on your oath. There are going to be times those votes cause you political discomfort. Don’t run away from them, but don’t run away from the electorate either.”

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